Posts by Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

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Jw from Illinois

by Jeepthing in

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well, we don't worry too much.

we as family are doing okay.

my kids don't really miss anyone.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

Jeepthing: 1st of all, I dig your name. 2ndly, thanks for sharing your story and your strength.

Catfish

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skipped another meeting tonight.. won't answer the phone.. scared of the doorbell.. wife wants to stop too but won't commit.. family too important to lose.. tired of the hypocrisy, guilt and fear.. just want my own life.. all that being said: still believe the basic teachings beyond the other pharisaical 75%.. .

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

We're with you 5thGen. Glad to at least hear more evidence that the hypocrisy is global.

Catfish

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My dad's email response to my UN and Blood Issue questions.

by Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit in

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i always thought that my dad was a smart man, that he still had his common sense, but now i see that's not true.

and for some stupid reason, this has really got to me tonight.

i'm sharing the content of this discussion so that maybe someone else can see the ignorance of this horrible religion of people who cannot really love because their evil bible won't let them.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

I always thought that my dad was a smart man, that he still had his common sense, but now I see that's not true. And for some STUPID reason, this has really got to me tonight. I'm sharing the content of this discussion so that maybe someone else can see the ignorance of this horrible religion of people who cannot really love because their evil Bible won't let them.

I responded to this email and asked him to remember just a year ago or so when he and mom said that I'm no longer their daughter, that they now know how it feels to lose a child because I left their faith, and that I must be on drugs. . .but no, somehow that wasn't tearing ME down, it only counts that I tore them down by criticizing their religious leaders. Look how doing 'good works' erases all the bad!!! I'm done.

Dear Catfish,

I feel hurt that you have that feeling for the Brothers. On our DPA Card, thats what we call it, the Health Care Power of Attorney, there are areas where you have the right to accept or reject. Then there is a form that goes with the DPA card, on it are instructions for the card and it refers to articles in our literature, along with the DVD's and Video's, that help with making our minds up but then, it is still up to the individual to decide what he will or will not do. You do not have to take blood fractions if you don't want to, that's your business. If you really are troubled by these things you should start going to ALL the meetings, putting Jehovah first in your lives now, then you will be strong

enough to make a stand when things like the UN accusation come along or they try to destroy you. A little humility goes a long way. I asked all the Elders at a meeting Tuesday night, if they had ever heard that the Society had used the Library facilities at the UN and there had been notoriety about that. The overall reaction was like mine. SO WHAT. People can make a big thing over anything like that or anything else.

Why did the Apostle Paul say it was ok to eat blood? So if you

don't ask if meat has been sacrificed to an idol, are we to assume

that the pagan Corinthians drained animals before making an offering.

when you buy steak at the store, do you ask if its been properly bled?

They kill animals for food and pour its blood out.

How and why would you pour human blood on the ground?

Somethings to think about, RIGHT? By the way, i am responding to your last letter but you never responded to mine. First its been the UN then the Blood issue what is #3. Is this intended to build us up or tear down? Shouldn't you be busy preaching the good news in all the earth if you prefer to use the bible and not the WTBTS?

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After Armegeddon Whats the plan?

by purplesofa in

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from the beginning of the jw experiance, i wondered what the plan was going to be after armegeddon.

we are to expect so much destruction, billions of people destroyed (how many birds does it take to eat 6 billion people in a timely manner?

) with the massive deaths and stuff to clean up........peoples bones for one, rebuiling and resurrecting the millions and millions that have died.....teaching them, and working to clean up the planet.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

1st thing after armageddon:

Get the cable tv up and working.

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Guns

by Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit in

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curious: does anyone carry a gun for protection?

from an ex jw standpoint, how easily did your feelings change toward guns and/or the possibility of killing someone in self-defense?.

my husband and i both carry.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

Curious: Does anyone carry a gun for protection? From an EX JW standpoint, how easily did your feelings change toward guns and/or the possibility of killing someone in self-defense?

My husband and I both carry. We always had a gun while in the Hohos but never considered using it for protection, bloodguilt and all. . . But now we take classes occasionally, practice safe handling and are licensed to carry concealed.

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When God is not there anymore

by purplesofa in

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do you remember, or do you do this ........talk to god, ask god for things, thank god for things and get angry at god?.

when i remove this mysterious, allusive god out of my mind and not rely on god, i have to go within myself for answers and think about things logically and not put off feelings to him and feel them within myself and deal with it on a whole different set of laws and bounderies and rules within myself.

does this make sense to anyone?.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

I believed that I could only pray to Jehovah for things that Jehovah wanted (not what I wanted) and that Jehovah was going to do anyways. Like others have said here, felt no relationship with God unless I was doing for God. I guess I learned that conditional love thing from God and not my parents afterall.

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In my hometown

by sass_my_frass in

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so a few months ago i got the 'you're disowned' email from my parents, and i thought that it was all over for any kind of ongoing relationship with them.

i'd planned this visit to see them (i live on the east coast of australia, they're a five-hour flight away), but a few months ago they told me they won't see me when i'm here.

i have non-jw family and friends here though who i love a lot, and i have spent some nice times with them, and shown mr frass around my old haunts.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

So sorry about your family. It sucks. Unfortunately, when we get the opportunity to connect with them, we don't connect at all, it's just an opportunity for them to hurt us emotionally.

The force is strong in you.

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New November Kingdom Ministry

by choosing life in

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could this article be a protection for the borg against the tort of misrepresentation?

all of a sudden, they seem to want to be sure and inform the dubs about all of their options.

also, it is interesting that the consequences of the refusal of each fraction is explained more openly than i have ever seen before.. what do you think?.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

I'm digging the 'I will not eat the whole pizza, but I'll have a few fractions' reasoning on the previous thread on the NOV KM..

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Bizarre November 2006 KM

by yakata in

the insert is called "how do i view blood fractions and medical procedures involving my own blood?

" i will attempt to transcribe the more salient points for everyone here.. paragraph 1 (verbatim): the bible commands christians to "abstain ... from blood.

" (acts 15:20) thus, jehovah's witnesses do not accept transfusions of whole blood or the four primary components of blood-namely, red blood cells, white blood cells, platelets, and plasma.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

Question for anyone with medical knowledge:

If I partake conscientiously of ALL of these fractions, will they together equal taking in blood? Are the fractions together equal to a whole pizza?

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Let's just get something straight about 1975.

by WTFBBQPWNT in

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nobody ever said that the end was coming in 1975.. all the hype about this date that has continued all the way down through today came from a talk in the early 70's by fred franz.

in this talk, franz pointed out the significance of the 7 creative days and how they correspond with 1,000-year time intervals.. he then said, "could the end come in 1975?

there's so much wrong with jehovah's witnesses from their rigid legalism to their faux love, but let's call a spade a spade about the 1975 thing..

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

Thanks to those who pasted paragraphs from the WTS literature and furnished firsthand accounts of this time period.

Next, someone will claim that 'The society never said no blood at all in any form, that was just some overzealous JWs in some congs'.

Come on, I mean, come on.